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I don't do this all that often, so bear with me.  It's about riding, then about writing, and mostly about both.  Sort of.

I've been on book break long enough now that I'm within days of going off it and onto the next book blitz, which means I've got all these thoughts piling up and trying to get coherent.  Some are related to all the horse stuff last week--clinics always get me thinking about how riding really works--and some have to do with the writer discussions around my flist.  I love those, and sometimes participate, but I don't seem to get around to getting them started here because, well, we'll get into that.

This has a lot to do with the way my mind works.

My lessons this morning were more basics on Capria--since Pook was being a total poophead and one Killer Projecting Empath, namely Camilla, was all I could cope with today.  They were all in a Mood.  Camilla was Anxious and Fussy and Grinding Her Teeth.  I didn't sit on her because she was too jangly.  I dressed her up and played with her instead, and worked on Forward and generally established the next few weeks' routine: Go get keed, saddle keed, go get Camilla, saddle Camilla, hand off keed to Joni, work with Camilla.  I want this to become such a commonplace that it's absolutely no big deal.  Then we'll be able to do the riding thang.

And that feels right.  Pook is in the first rush of the pre-spring hormones--he'll get his quality time tomorrow, including a ride.

Amid the lessons and rides, we talked about the clinic and my lessons and riding in general.  I've known for a long time that the kind of dressage I do is not what passes for "dressage" in most of the world.  You might call it "High Church Dressage," in that it's rare, obscure, and practiced in the High Church--Vienna, of course.  The thing is, many riders will tell you that's the kind of dressage they do--and they rattle off the words and claim to understand the concepts and then you see them on the horse and, well, nope.  Joni cited an article she just read in which the author quoted an Old Dead Guy (ODG)...but the ODG never said what the author claims he says.  And the concepts the author is espousing,  with illustrations, have nothing to do with what the ODG meant.  The author has skipped all the chapters on the minutiae of aids and seat and leaped straight to the manipulation of the head by means of the reins.

And this is what happens over and over.  US riders in particular are taught to push with the legs and pull with the hands, and "through in the back" means "I'm holding the horse's nose on the vertical with my hands."  There is nothing happening between the hands and the knees--the rider is at best aware that one does something with the upper torso, but when pointed to the abdominals, pelvis, and thighs where the real seat is, goes abruptly deaf and blind.  And starts kicking and pulling and calling it "throughness" and "engagement" and "collection."

But it's not.

The trouble with the real thing is, it takes years to learn even if you're an equestrian genius.   And the horse can't just do it if the rider isn't there to help.  The  rider thinks he's helping by kicking and pulling, but he's blocking the horse--doing the exact opposite of what he thinks he's doing.  I know about this because I learned that way, and changing it is taking major work.  Capria with kick-pull riding is a stiff, hollow, llama-necked horse with her accelerator stuck permanently to the floor.  Pooka doesn't even stay in the building.

However, a horse trained the other way, to a rider trained my way, rather than being easy and simple and restful, is not a pleasure to ride.  There's nothing to sit on.  The back isn't there.  The hind end is disconnected from the front.  He can't respond to the aids because he has no muscles to respond with.  Everything is happening in the neck and head--and those have a weird, dead feel to them, because there's no engine to drive them.  When I ride such a horse, I spend my time trying to get the hindquarters underneath and the back up, but ignore the head.  Which leads the horse's owner to yell,  "Make him round!"  Meaning, pull his head up and in and hold it there.  Which I can't do because the head takes its position from what the rest of the horse is doing--and pulling it into a headset doesn't do anything to create the feeling of roundness, softness, and power that comes only from the back and hindquarters.

And that's slow.  I'd say the majority of riders who think they want to ride this way give up sooner or later  (usually sooner) and go to the easier, quicker way because they want to show, they want concrete rewards that they can get by riding the crank-and-jam way like everyone else (consider that you're winning awards for being the best at doing it wrong), and the thought of spending years learning basics just does not appeal.

Sticking with it is a bitch.  My problem is, Lipizzans are the original High Church horse.  You can ride a Lipp the usual way, but the Lipp does poorly, does not show very well, and gets a rep for being "stubborn" or "slow" or  "not talented."  Lipps are genetically engineered to be ridden in a particular way, are hardwired for it, and just don't respond to anything else. 

But oy, the pain to the ego.  I came to this thinking I was hot shit--third level, doing mediums and collected work,  starting half pass with my own home-trained horse, had ridden beyond Grand Prix with previous trainers, wasn't I something.  Joni took my reins away, bumped me down to baby lessons, and made me feel about a millimeter high.  Then she took me apart and, over the years, has slowly put me back together again--with the help of a succession of Lipizzans, of whom Pook is probably the most demanding, but Capria is no slouch, either.

Joni tells a story of how when she went to Vienna to learn to ride, Bereiter Steinriegler of the Spanish Riding School was the instructor.  The first day, he was teaching another student while she warmed up next door--and she was determined to impress him.  She "put the horse on the bit," she did tricks, she was proud of herself.  In the middle of her warmup, Steinriegler left his lesson and came over to her and laid his hand on her rein.  He said very quietly, "Stop that."  That was all.  Then he went back to his other student.

And she spent months on the longeline, learning why she had totally failed to impress the master.

[livejournal.com profile] kladruber1  said to me, "You aren't a rider until you can ride a Lipizzan."  I think she's right.  Because they won't accept anything other than High Church, they force you to ride them their way--which is the slow, exacting, no-shortcuts way. 

The good part is, when you do get it, the feeling is absolutely amazing.  It's magic.  You just sit there and ride the wave, and it's all pure power and balance and beauty.  And the horse is totally with you, from nose to tail.

But try to explain this to a rider who has been winning ribbons at the mid to upper levels, getting good scores, feeling superior because you're still dinking around in walk and trot.  You can't demonstrate that it's not dinking, because this rider can't see what you're doing--just sees the nose off the vertical and the lack of fancy tricks and draws conclusions based on a lot of missed parameters.  One of my ambitions to have horses who can do the tricks correctly--then we'll still dink,  but we'll be able to pull the fancy stuff out as needed.  Capria is on the brink of that, if I can get my damned hands to cooperate and start paying real attention to where her shoulders are (we worked on that today).  And Pook will have it soon.  With big shiny bells on.  He can already do an awfully impressive passage that isn't really correct but is more so than what you see in Olympic tests--it's his natural gait.  Blows people's minds when he does it.

Meanwhile however, when I'm riding right, it just looks like dinking.

Which, believe it or not, does segue into Why I Don't Discuss Writing Much Here.  I enjoy the discussions elsewhere.  The problem is, I don't write analytically--I don't spend a lot of time thinking about how I do it.  When I first started teaching it, I had to spend quite a bit of time back-filling and figuring out what I did, then trying to explain how.  I write intuitively, and if I get too hung up on details, the writing gets mechanical and lifeless.  It has to feel right, first and foremost.  Then I worry about the technical aspects.

And that's how I have to ride.  There are riders who read to Grand Prix, just as there are writers who talk a great talk.  If they aren't feeling it, if they aren't operating from intuition first, they can quote ODG's an nauseam, but they're not riding the ride.  I'm a dressage dyslexic--I can't read about it.  My eyes glaze over.  I have to get on the horse and do it.

I dunno, maybe it's a form of magical thinking.   If  I get too analytical,  I can't ride and I can't create fiction--and if I get too hung up on critical thinking, I'll get too critical to write (or ride) anything.

Or maybe I'm a bear of little brain, and I only have enough brain cells to do one thing at a time.  My riding comes along glacially slowly because I'm a slow learner.  And my writing is this seat-of-the-pants thing that can't work unless I shut my eyes and just do it.  All the glittering literati are a delight to watch, but I don't glitter.  I just sort of mumble around in the grass.

 

Note to self: Ripening/Pooka, Rotting/Rooting/Camilla, Sattva (and Sherry Ackerman)

Date: 2005-01-16 06:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rethought.livejournal.com
It's an interesting thing the going back and forth from master to learner. I wonder if it is something that is the ultimate point of riding...you think you're getting there, you have the technique, the 'tricks', the prizes even. But, the horse can't really be learned, just like a human can't. Not sure exactly what I'm trying to say. It's almost like trying to stick your finger on a a projected picture. You feel the strain towards it in the center of yourself, but try as long as you might, you can't grab it.

I'd rather do the High Church thing in any case. Even if I can't articulate anything else, I know that. :)

And, do you mean grinding her teeth literally or chewing the bit?

Date: 2005-01-16 06:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] casacorona.livejournal.com
Camilla grinds her teeth literally. When she's frustrated. Or anxious. I will never forget the day when she was a couple months old, and I was trying for some reason to hold her in place. She consented, and stayed, but the most god-awful noise came from her. She'd probably tried to dominate me.

Wonderful young mare. She makes me laugh. Which she hates.

Date: 2005-01-16 07:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] klwilliams.livejournal.com
Aikido (which I do) is a lot like that: if you think about what you're doing, you literally can't do it. Or you think with your body, not your mind. For someone like me, who spends a lot time programming computers, this was hard to get past (but it was very cool once I did).

Date: 2005-01-16 07:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kristine-smith.livejournal.com
Which, believe it or not, does segue into Why I Don't Discuss Writing Much Here.  I enjoy the discussions elsewhere.  The problem is, I don't write analytically--I don't spend a lot of time thinking about how I do it.  When I first started teaching it, I had to spend quite a bit of time back-filling and figuring out what I did, then trying to explain how.  I write intuitively, and if I get too hung up on details, the writing gets mechanical and lifeless.  It has to feel right, first and foremost.  Then I worry about the technical aspects.

I've commented before that the folks who can on-the-spot analyze amaze me. On one long ago panel, a wannabe writer asked me "How do you know if such-and-such is an issue", and all I could think of to say was "you just know". I could see the frustration on his face, but I couldn't do anything about it. The writer next to me, a more analytical mind, whittled down the issue to a couple of sentences. I can't do that. I've tried, and I can't.

Date: 2005-01-16 07:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raithen.livejournal.com
this is lovely, and for a rider who is routinely told to stop over-analyzing my riding (Though the same could -- and possibly should - be said about my writing), it is also insightful. ANd I know how hard it is. I have done a couple of clinics with a coach who is basically promoting "high church" for Walkers. She doesn't even like to use the "Fancy names" for stuff, like leg yield, nose in, whatever, because she wants riders focused on what they are feeling from the horse, not the language used to describe the feeling. Of course, she and I are both terribly analytical, and it has been a wonderful working relationship -- I just wish she lived closer (she is in Calgary, 8 hours away). I hope you don't mind, but I sent her your post.

Date: 2005-01-16 07:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raithen.livejournal.com
ok, this is really interesting serendipity: I just am getting to know a man who has practiced Aikido for 11 years, and is a 1st level blackbelt. I am a rider (though not a very good one :D) and one of the things that connected us was our separate passions.

Date: 2005-01-16 08:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raithen.livejournal.com
oops, I didn't really finish what I wanted to say. Which is that it is neat to learn that they have some stuff in common, beyond being things that are touchstones in both our lives.

I hope you don't mind, but I sent him a copy of J's post (thx, J) and your comment, because I wanted him to see it.

thanks, again, for the insight.

Date: 2005-01-16 08:41 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] klwilliams.livejournal.com
It's even more serendipitous -- I've been studying aikido for eleven years, too (almost exactly), and I'm a first degree black belt, too.

Date: 2005-01-16 10:09 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raithen.livejournal.com
wow. serendipity, indeed.

do you ride at all?

Date: 2005-01-16 11:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] klwilliams.livejournal.com
I ride terribly. I owned a horse for a while, who kept giving me That Look, the one that said, "You really don't know what you're doing, do you?" At this point, I'm so allergic to any animal with fur that I'm unlikely to ever get on a horse again, unfortunately.

Date: 2005-01-17 05:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rethought.livejournal.com
Weird! I've not been around more than 10 horses on a long term basis, so I'm not surprised I haven't heard that before.

Good to have something laugh-worthy. :)

Date: 2005-01-17 05:35 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] hippoiathanatoi.livejournal.com
You might not like to read about dressage, but when you write about it, it makes for a fascinating read. :)

Personally, it will never cease to amaze me how some people can work with horses and be so focused on the results that they don't care about what's best for the horses. Sure, I still get too fussy with my hands on certain types of horses, and I have a long way to go in general before my body does what I know in theory, but I am in it for that wonderful feeling when everything falls into place, not for the ribbons.

Date: 2005-01-17 07:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] shira.livejournal.com
Because they won't accept anything other than High Church, they force you to ride them their way--which is the slow, exacting, no-shortcuts way.

No kidding. And this is where I get to tell the story about how I was totally unable to ride my Lipizzan, until someone who knew more (Carol Gauger, to be exact) showed me what I was doing wrong... and it was all about the head. And in ONE LESSON, I went from being enemies with my horse, to riding him, after the positive response and conditioning that he started with ME! :)

Now? I don't get to ride much, and so Sonny is always out of shape, but I can hop on, and on a bad day, he's gto the bit in his teeth and is dragging me all over the place, and we just cut it short. On a good day, however, I do nothing with my hands other than balance with the outside rein and give-and-take every so often on the inside, and he comes through from under the saddle. If the horse were fit... I could ride him with no reins at all and he'd be round.

Yep... I do think there is definitely a specific way these horses want to be ridden. And they'll tell you once you finally get it. ;)

Sorry... LJ's giving me a fuss posting, in case you get this 12 times. o_O

Date: 2005-01-17 09:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dancinghorse.livejournal.com
Oh yeah, Camilla gets mad and starts grinding. Sounds like somebody sawing a log. The chiro worked out a jaw cramp once and she stopped grinding for a while, but when she gets tense, it comes back.

January is Dental Month at the vet--so the next step is to get her teeth worked on and see if it helped. She was grinding like mad yesterday.

I get it about trying to work toward perfection--Plato, cave wall, all that, same general idea. (The My Little Pony on the wall? That's Pooka on the other end of the projector.)

Date: 2005-01-17 09:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dancinghorse.livejournal.com
Dressage is a lot like a martial art. Or yoga. You have to center yourself (and so does the horse), and there's a great deal of work with balance, movement, and harmony. If it's really going well, you go into the zone. Then anything can happen.

Date: 2005-01-17 09:49 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dancinghorse.livejournal.com
I can do it on the hoof if I'm in panel mode, but I don't spontaneously generate criticism. It's easier to come up with another novel idea.

Nice to know I'm not the only one-trick pony around here.

Date: 2005-01-17 09:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dancinghorse.livejournal.com
Sure, no problem. Glad you liked it.

Date: 2005-01-17 09:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dancinghorse.livejournal.com
Awww, thanks.

Enough people want to ride this way, and are willing to put in the time, that I never quite get into the mode some do--giving up hope that this way of riding can be salvaged. It's ever so much easier to take short cuts and train tricks.

Date: 2005-01-17 09:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dancinghorse.livejournal.com
Yep... I do think there is definitely a specific way these horses want to be ridden. And they'll tell you once you finally get it. ;)

I'll drink to that!

There's always someone who gets all bent of shape about this, says it doesn't exist, and starts flaming if people keep on saying it does. But, you know, it does.

Feeling

Date: 2005-01-17 10:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] whitezinnia.livejournal.com
I once rode in a clinic where the clinician was repeating, "just feel what he's *doing*!" After a number of repetitions, a guy on the sidelines said, in his best Obiwan Kenobe voice, "Feel the horse, Luke!"

After I regained my seat, which I had lost because I was laughing too much, I actually sort of got it. And thereafter you'd hear people intoning "Feel the horse, Luke!" whenever someone was having trouble.

Date: 2005-01-17 01:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miintikwa.livejournal.com
THAT is how I want to ride. THAT is what I've been searching for. I hate the way I have to battle horses to ride now.

*sighs whistfully*

Any places that you know of in Tallahassee Florida that teach that way? I took riding lessons for 2 years, was going over 3 foot fences, and STILL didn't feel good about it. I enjoyed hacking my thoroughbred more than the actual lessons that I took, because when I was just hacking I felt more of a connection to the horse than when I was in the ring. It sucked.

I so love reading about your lessons.

--K

Date: 2005-01-19 08:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lynnesite.livejournal.com
I identify a lot with what you've written about the writing/riding. My photography is the same way, if I get too technical while shooting the spark is gone, though unlike you I can read about it a little bit. People who like my work most often assume I've gone to photography school or at least taken courses.

Twix had better find us a Joni. I'm getting nervous already. Hellooooo Universe/Mother Ship?! I would like a nearby-Joni now so that I can practice on Q--unlike you, I am crappy at slicing into wee learnable pieces without an instructor's help. Twix is amusedly/tolerantly cooperating in our various groundwork games, looking like a cute hunter pony at 9 months.

Dental time here too--ready to get jealous? The regional super-dentist owes me super-whammy jobs on my two adults *twice* this year, in exchange for photos of mine he's got for presentations. Twix needs it too though, according to my exploring hands today. Gotta call and schedule.

Date: 2005-01-23 09:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raithen.livejournal.com
I tried my first aikido class on Friday - my friend (who is more in the lines of potential romantic interest, but he is moving, and connect though we have, we are friends for now) took me to his dojo locally, which is run by a respected Shihan. The class was a small beginner class, and they were terribly patient with me. I was both overthinking and underthinking, because thinking with my body does not come easily. Hell, somedays walking effectively does not come easily :D. But I thoroughly enjoyed it, and think I will go back. Your comments about thinking with the body will help, I think.

And yes, from what I have seen, and tried, and what I know of riding, good riding and good Aikido are cut from the same cloth. I am not sure I will ever attain either, but I sure will enjoy the journey.

As for being allergic to horses -- I can actually relate, though I am not so bad that I don't stubbornly continue to ride. However, I do know that SOME people with serious fur allergies can actually be around/ride Bashkir Curly horses ith little allergic response. The curlie's hair shaft is structured differently, and so many allergic folks don't have a problem with curlies.

And riding is like Aikido - it takes time, and patience, but the journey is wonderful, because the horse shares it with you.

Date: 2005-01-23 09:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raithen.livejournal.com
ah, the elusive zone. *sigh*

Re: Feeling

Date: 2005-01-23 09:20 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raithen.livejournal.com
*hee* I love that.

When I was riding pony club in France (I was 18 and lucky enough to spend a year in La Rochelle), I was having a particularly challenging jumping lessons. Ponette the white pony and I were NOT connecting, and I was so worried about the oxer we were to jump that she kept refusing. I ate dirt 4 times in about 10 mins. My instructor, not the most tactful man on the earth, started screaming "Ne pense pas!!! FAIT!" (don't think, DO!) over and over. I finally cleared a modified (and much smaller) jump. And I still hear him in my head somedays, though I have chosen not to jump anymore.

But I like your version better!

Date: 2005-01-23 09:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] raithen.livejournal.com
I hear you on needing to find a local "joni." I have found my Joni, but she lives 9 hours away. *sigh* And we too have a 9 10 (!!) month old filly, and I have 3 years to get MY riding organized so that she doesn't suffer what her mother and aunt have from poor riding and training (not all, but partly, mine). She is a bit pacy as Tennessee WAlkers go, but I can work with that if *I* am riding correctly. ANd she is special enough to deserve every chance.

And thanks for reminding me that I need to call the dentist for Miss JJ!

Date: 2005-01-23 05:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] dancinghorse.livejournal.com
Florida's loaded with big dressage names. The trick is finding a place to ride if you don't have a horse. Riding schools are awfully thin on the ground, and good ones are even thinner.

If I hear of any in your area, I'll holler.

Date: 2005-01-25 12:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miintikwa.livejournal.com
I would totally buy a horse if I had the land or knew of a good place to board close by- but neither of those are available at the moment, so... Yeah. I miss my TB, but she's better off where she is.

I'll look around a little and see if there's anything good up here- but so far every place I've looked seems to be just the usual hunt seat equitation.

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